Friday, August 14, 2015

The Jesus Card

HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE BIBLE?
Part 5

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As is the case with most theological debates among Christians, it isn't long before people start quoting Jesus to back up their views. I call this tactic "playing the Jesus card," and it is certainly not an invalid method of arguing. For Christians, Jesus is seen as the top authoritative figure on Christian teaching, and so if you can show that Jesus agreed with you, your views earn stock in Christian communities.

It's not shocking, then, that Christians on both sides of the homosexuality debate try to play the Jesus card when arguing their position. However, this can be awkward since the gospels never mention Jesus saying anything about gay marriage or homosexuality.

Often times Christians who don't think homosexuality is a sin use Jesus' silence on the matter to their advantage. Many have argued that because Jesus didn't say anything on homosexuality in the gospels, he must not have considered it a sin. However, this argument of silence doesn't go very far by itself. After all, the gospels don't record Jesus teaching on many modern issues, such as alcoholism or pollution, but that doesn't mean he would approve of them if he was walking around with us today.

Other Christians who think homosexuality is a sin claim that while Jesus was silent on the matter, he wasn't silent about God's definition of marriage, which contradicts homosexuality. For evidence, these Christians quote Jesus' teachings on marriage found in Mark 10 and Matthew 19.

For this article, we will look at Jesus' teachings found in Mark and Matthew to see if they really define marriage in a way that excludes homosexuality, and determine if the Jesus card can be legitimately played in the debate over gay marriage. We will start by looking at what Jesus is saying in Mark 10 and Matthew 19, and then discuss what Jesus is not saying in those passages.



What Jesus Is Saying

The passages containing Jesus' teachings on marriage can be found in Mark 10.1-12 and Matthew 19.1-12. Having read that, some are probably thinking that it is a funny coincidence that both Mark and Matthew contain Jesus' teachings on marriage in exactly 12 verses each, but it's not a coincidence. In fact, of Mark's 661 verses, about 90% of them have a parallel in Matthew. Due to the fact that Matthew's corresponding verses seem to correct those in Mark both in details and stylistically, many scholars view Matthew as a highly-embellished edition of Mark. In other words, the author of Matthew copied Mark to make his gospel.[1]

This of course leads to many interesting and controversial questions, such as "why would Matthew (an eyewitness to Jesus' teachings), need to copy Mark (a secondhand source)?" The answer many scholars give is that neither Mark nor Matthew were written by Mark or Matthew. While these are fascinating questions to explore, this isn't really relevant for our discussion. The fact remains that Christians consider both Mark and Matthew as part of their canon, and therefore Jesus' teachings in them are considered authoritative, even if we don't know who really wrote them, or if they accurately record what Jesus really said.

What is relevant for us is that both Mark 10.1-12 and Matthew 19.1-12 have remarkably similar content, and therefore do not need to be quoted twice. I have chosen to quote Mark's version because it is written more simply, but will refer to the Matthew text as well. I will quote Mark 10.1-12 in four parts, followed by a brief analysis of each passage. Let's begin with Mark 10.1:
[Jesus] left that place [in Galilee] and went to the region of Judea and beyond the Jordan. And crowds again gathered around him; and, as was his custom, he again taught them. 
(10.1)
Jesus has left the northern region of Galilee and headed south to Judea. This verse is setting the scene, but is not very relevant for our purposes, so let's move on:
Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.” 
(10.2-4)
We see the Pharisees trying to trap Jesus with a trick question. Presumably knowing Jesus' stance against divorce, the Pharisees ask him if it is lawful by the Torah for a man to divorce his wife. Jesus is in a tight spot. If he answers "yes," the Pharisees have caught Jesus contradicting himself. If he answers "no," the Pharisees can accuse Jesus of being ignorant about the laws found in the Torah, which, as we saw in Part 4 (and the Pharisees well knew), clearly allowed for divorce. Now let's look at Jesus' response:
But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 
(10.2-9, emphasis is my own)[2]
Jesus answers that those laws allowing for divorce were only included because the Israelites were stubborn and resistant to God's will. This is a significant claim: Jesus is saying that at least some of the laws in the Torah don't ward off sin, but rather allow for sin.

To justify his claim, Jesus uses the first book in the Torah: Genesis. He specifically quotes Genesis 2.24, which is italicized in the passage above. As we discussed in Part 2, Genesis 2.24 is a symbolic explanation for why a man leaves his family to form a new family unit with his wife (as well as for sexual intercourse). Just as Eve was originally created from the same flesh as Adam in the second creation story, so too does a man and woman become "one flesh" when they become married and create their new family unit.

So Jesus is saying that divorce violates God's original intention for marriage since it is separating the symbolic bond between a husband and wife that God established in the beginning of creation. Finally, let's finish off the passage with Jesus' explanation of this rule to his disciples:
Then in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.” 
(10.10-12)
Here we see Jesus explaining that marrying anyone after a divorce is adultery (and therefore sinful). To many people (including the disciples), this seems like a harsh rule if taken as an absolute. After all, what if your spouse cheats on you? Shouldn't you be allowed to remarry? The author of Matthew seems to have felt this way too, and added an exception for such sexual offenses in his version.

It makes sense that Jesus would teach on divorce. It was a big issue in Jesus' day, and would leave a woman in a very vulnerable position since most women relied on men for their livelihood. Divorce also seems to have been relatively common and acceptable. Indeed, according to Matthew's version of the story, the disciples agree that it is better for men not to marry at all if they cannot divorce their wives at a later time.

To sum up, we have seen Jesus say that the laws in the Torah are not perfect for defining righteousness, that divorce was wrong because it broke the symbolic bond between man and wife that God established in Genesis 2.24, and that anyone who marries another person after they divorce commits adultery (unless the divorce was the result of sexual immorality).

What Jesus Is NOT Saying

So we've seen that Jesus' "teaching on marriage" in the gospels was really about divorce, not marriage in general. Now let's highlight what we did NOT see Jesus say. There are two things we should take note of:

First, Jesus didn't say that he was defining marriage in all respects. We've seen that Jesus justified his claim that divorce was sinful by quoting Genesis as evidence. But Jesus is saying that the symbolic bond between a man and a woman in marriage must not be broken; he is NOT saying that marriage must be between a man and a woman. Jesus is addressing marriage practices of his day, which did not include gay marriage. But just because he is addressing those practices does NOT mean he is insisting upon them. Describing heterosexual marriage is not the same thing as prescribing it.

Second, Jesus didn't say that all aspects of creation should be imitated. While Jesus is saying that the bond of marriage established in the second creation story ought to be imitated, he does not say that every aspect of creation must also be so. After all, according to Genesis 2 both man and woman were originally created "naked and unashamed," and God only gave them permission to eat from fruit trees, not meat. Yet according to the gospels Jesus was neither a nudist nor a vegetarian. Jesus uses Genesis to argue that divorce between a husband and wife is wrong, NOT to limit marriage to a husband and a wife, NOR to set every aspect of creation (such as the biological sex of those being married) as a standard.

[[Okay, so technically Jesus isn't giving us a proper definition of marriage, nor is he saying the creation of man and woman must be imitated in all respects. But homosexuality was seen as sinful by people in Jesus' culture. So can't we interpret Jesus' silence on the issue as evidence that he thought homosexuality was sinful as well?]]

Perhaps, but this is another argument of silence, and should be approached with caution. It's more than likely true that if we were to ask a stereotypical 1st-century Palestinian Jew about his position on homosexuality, he would tell us it was sinful. After all, as we saw in Part 4, the Torah calls homosexual intercourse an abomination. However, Christians generally believe that Jesus was NOT the stereotypical 1st-century Palestinian Jew, and we have also seen him challenge the laws in the Torah, such as those pertaining to divorce. This makes interpreting Jesus' silences with any degree of certainty incredibly problematic.

[[Okay, so we can't assume that Jesus' silence on the matter meant he must have agreed with the common perception of homosexuality in his day. But wasn't Jesus all-knowing? If he was, then why would he have kept silent on homosexuality, since he would have known this would be an issue later?]]

Despite what many Christians believe, according to the gospels Jesus was NOT all-knowing. While Jesus frequently asks rhetorical questions, we also see Jesus asking questions that he doesn't seem to have an answer to. We see him ask a blind man if he believes Jesus has the power to heal before he restores his sight, we see him ask the disciples how many loaves of bread they had with them, we see him ask the mother of James and John what she wants from Jesus, we see him ask a crowd which person had touched him while he was walking among them, and we see him ask God if he would intervene to prevent Jesus from having to suffer on the cross, so long it was God's will (and as we know, it turns out it wasn't).[3] It wouldn't make much sense for an omniscient being to ask such questions.

While one could argue that these were all asked by Jesus for others' sake, not his own, Jesus is quite clear that he does not know everything, including at least some parts the future. Indeed, Jesus is said to have taught that NONE but the Father knows when the end times will be, himself included. It's unclear how much Jesus knew of the future (if he did at all), but it's not a stretch of the imagination to think that he was unaware of gay marriage as a concept or our modern debate 2,000 years later, and therefore would have felt no need to speak for or against it.



While Jesus does use the story of man and woman's creation as evidence for why divorce is wrong, we do not see him teach that marriage ought to be between one man and one woman, nor do we see him claim or imply that all aspects of their creation ought to be imitated in marriage. While Jesus may very well have thought that homosexuality was sinful, it's simply impossible for us to know what he thought on the matter.

The fact is that Jesus never really offered a definition of marriage in the gospels, nor taught that homosexuality was a sin. The Jesus card may be the most powerful one in our hand, but that doesn't mean we can play it in every debate because we want him to agree with us.


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Notes

[1] This is part of an idea known as Synoptic Theory. According to this theory, Matthew and Luke both used Mark and a now-lost source containing the sayings of Jesus as sources. Matthew, however, relies on Mark more heavily than Luke. This theory is called "synoptic," which means something like "look alike," because Matthew, Mark, and Luke all are structured very similarly and contain similar content. As such they are called "Synoptic Gospels." John, on the other hand, is quite different than the Synoptic Gospels. Indeed, John is the only biblical gospel to identify Jesus as God incarnate, and contains no parables, which are a significant portion of the Synoptics.


[2] It may be worth pointing out that in Matthew's account, Jesus' response is reversed. Jesus answers: "Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate" (Mat. 19.4-6). He is then asked why Moses allowed for it in the Torah, and Jesus attributes it to the hard-heartedness of the Israelites. It was pointed out to me in my comments section that in Matthew's version Jesus quotes Gen. 2.24 as the words of the creator himself. The Genesis text, however, never indicates that this is a quote from God. It's unclear if these were really Jesus' words. As we have already seen, the author of Matthew takes some liberties with his sources containing Jesus teachings. For another example of Matthean editing, see note 3 in Part 7.


[3] What is equally confusing with Jesus asking if God would spare him from his fate on the cross is how the author of Luke knew about that prayer. Jesus withdrew from his disciples "about a stone's throw" to pray by himself, and came back to find his disciples sleeping. 

25 comments:

  1. another great post, clear, concise, thank you

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  2. I really enjoyed this piece and I think it is the most fair you’ve written so far. I found myself agreeing with just about all of it until the conclusion. I just want to make a few comments:
    "why would Matthew (an eyewitness to Jesus' teachings), need to copy Mark (a secondhand source)?"
    Why reinvent the wheel? Apparently copy/paste has been around a while. If Matthew found that Mark’s descriptions were pretty good and wanted to write a gospel to Jews including more of Jesus’ teachings and other things from his own perspective, why not?

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    1. I don't see a reason why not! Rules regarding plagiarism/citations were not what they are like now.

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  3. From above: “Okay, so we can't assume that Jesus' silence on the matter meant he must have agreed with the common perception of homosexuality in his day. But wasn't Jesus all-knowing? If he was, then why would he have kept silent on homosexuality, since he would have known this would be an issue later?”

    This brings up two really unrelated issues. 1) Jesus should have known homosexual marriage would be an issue if he were all-knowing. 2) Jesus was not all-knowing.
    1) Jesus should have known: This reminds me of a person who said if the Bible were from God, it would have mentioned the internet. Well sure, the Bible must not be from God because it does not mention the printing press, flush toilets, or sliced bread! Just think of how these inventions have changed the world. Jesus must not be all-knowing because he did not specifically deal with an issue in 2015. What about abortion, cloning, or sex with robots? (search the article on Slate for that – its coming). I would include in this absurdity people who try to find a reference to the USA in prophecy. We are so ethnocentric! Can you imagine how big the bible would have to be if it contained a reference to every invention or a law for every idiotic idea that humanity can come up with? Ludicrous!
    2) If Jesus was limited to a body, then he was not omnipresent. Why does he have to be omniscient? This was written of the messiah in Ps. 22:” Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.” As God he had the prerogative to use these qualities of God but consistently chose to live as a human and submitted himself to the direction and powers the Holy Spirit gave him. He chose the weakness of human life and to know only what was commonly known then or whatever the Holy Spirit chose to reveal.

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    1. Great points, Brad. This section was included from real-life arguments I have heard/read from other Christians. Dan Calabrese, a Pentecostal author, made the argument in a blog post that it's ridiculous that Jesus did not know about gay marriage because he was God and knew everything that would ever happen. This blog post was shared and encouraged by a pastor on my Facebook newsfeed. I don't know how popular this view is, but it is clearly out there, so I thought it was worth addressing.

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  4. In Matthew 19 (and Mark) Jesus is asked about the issue of divorce (dissolution of marriage) and the fact that Moses permitted it. Instead of providing an analysis of the “certificate of divorce allowance” text, Jesus goes straight for the Genesis passages as God’s blueprint, pattern, or design for marriage. The Genesis passages do not address divorce at all but Jesus employs them to base his concluding doctrine: “What God has joined together, let not man separate.” Here is the passage:

    4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female (Gen. 1),’[a 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’(Gen. 2)[b] ? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

    Jesus’ points are:
    A) God made them male and female. Genesis 1:27 Male and Female reflect the image of God. This sets apart humanity from the animal world. Both reproduce but the human male and female reflect God’s image in a unique way. Male on male or female on female produces nothing. A sex act between two of the same sexes is missing this image of God component and the result is destructive desires. (Paul deals with these destructive desires that pervert the image of God thus the connection with idolatry in Rom. 1) The desires between a man and woman produce offspring. These good desires become bad, if they are not directed to be fulfilled with these other parameters below.

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    1. This is interesting exegesis. However, the idea that male and female reflect the image of God is never what Jesus says, and in fact, it seems Paul disagreed. In 1 Corinthians 11.7, Paul writes: "For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man." Your interpretation (and the one that you are saying Jesus is taking) is pulling more from the first creation myth, while Paul pulls more from the second. The idea that sex reflects the image of God is poetic, but not found in the Bible. Of course, we would agree that this doesn't necessarily make it wrong. Paul associates idolatry with homosexual acts as products of humans rejecting God, but never gives us your "distortion of the image of God" doctrine that you and other Christians teach today.

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    2. You say: “The idea that sex reflects the image of God is poetic, but not found in the Bible.”
      When Jesus gives us the creator’s intention for marriage he quotes from both chapter one and chapter two of Genesis. Jesus makes reference to the song of Genesis 1 by quoting or perhaps singing the last refrain: “made them male and female”. If you look at verse 27 in Genesis one it is given in poetic form in many bibles. Jesus’ audience immediately would have in mind the whole verse which is probably the first song in the bible which is why our Bibles set apart this song from Genesis 1 as poetry:
      So God created mankind in his own image,
      in the image of God he created them;
      male and female he created them.
      Jesus quotes (or perhaps he sings) only the last line of the song but his audience would have understood (and perhaps started singing) the rest. The power of God to produce new life is in the coming together of male and female.

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    3. That's interesting, but I don't think I completely understand. What parts of Genesis would the audience have been singing (you say the "rest")?

      I agree that the power of new life rests in the coming together of males and females. So when a heterosexual couple can't conceive, is their image of God they are supposed to be reflecting distorted? Or is God's power restricted? What if a heterosexual couple doesn't want to have kids, are they not fulfilling the original intention of the creator by not being fruitful nor multiplying? I don't mean to ask silly questions, but it seems to me the reason you are saying gay marriage is wrong is because man and woman reflect God together, who put them together so they could multiply. So what happens when a couple can't or choose not to multiply?

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    4. The song is Genesis 1:27
      "So God created mankind in his own image,
      in the image of God he created them;
      male and female he created them."

      Jesus only quotes or sings the last line.

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    5. Oh I see, and you are saying Gen. 1.27 and 2.24 are parts of the same song.

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  5. B) Both male and female are singular (which I take as leading to the Christian view of monogamy). Genesis gave Israel patterns for behavior. Resting on the Sabbath was one behavior they were to pattern their lives after. They did not pattern their lives after the Genesis pattern of marriage which is why Jesus brings this to their attention. That they did not run around naked or become vegetarians was evidence that they continued reading Genesis which explained why they wear clothes – God provided them. And why they were now allowed to eat meat – because of the post flood covenant with Noah.

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    1. Jesus is quoting the creation myths, which were between one man and one woman. Description does not equal proscription. It may be worth noting that Jesus and his disciples violated the Sabbath, and Christians still don't mind that we changed the day of the week on which the Sabbath is, and also often do work on that day as well.

      Good points on nudity and meat! It seems that it's okay that some things described in the creation accounts are not meant to always be imitated for all times. And as I said, Jesus never actually proscribed marriage as between one man and one woman, so is it really inaccurate to think that gay marriage doesn't violate creation as well?

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    2. Jesus was known as a righteous man, not a law-breaker. He questioned the abuse of the law or interpretation of it but none could charge him as a law breaker otherwise he would have been stoned.

      Jesus' interpretation of the creator's words concerning creation of the human couple was meant to be a design to be followed which is why both polygamy falls short of the blueprint as does divorce. These are not sins that "send you to hell" which it seems to be what people love to obsess about. They do and other unfortunate situations fall short of God's ideal.

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    3. Again, I just don't see Jesus lying out a blueprint for marriage for all situations and all times in the texts (or even a complete blueprint). What are the unfortunate situations that result from polygamy, or gay marriage? You say below that two gay parents don't reflect the image of God, but that doesn't make them bad parents. You also say that being in a homosexual relationship will not necessarily send you to hell, a spiritual consequence. So what are the practical, this-worldly consequences of such parents? What happens when we fall short of God's ideal?

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    4. There aren't a whole lot of cases I can point to where the Bible demonstrates the difficulties of gay lesbian marriage since it was just recently invented. Polygamy on the other hand is very old and every instance of it described in the OT is fraught with difficulties. Christians understood very early that Christ taught monogamy. Where did they get this idea if not from this text:? This indicates Christ did mean for his followers to understand his exegesis of Genesis passages as the creator's design for the family. Providing a pattern is a much better idea than attempting to make a rule for every situation that may arise in the future. It just makes more sense than rule making.

      What happens when we fall short of God's ideal? The bible's portrayal of the strife experienced in polygamous situations - rivalries, jealousies, and the like, seem to accompany households that treat women as material assets and not as equal partners which monogamy should engender.

      What are the consequences of gay/lesbian relationships? The church fathers & early theologians did not find the nuances in the Greek that you so skilfully find as a way to justify this kind of relationship. I consider it an insult to God to need scientific justification for obedience. Especially health and relationship science that tells us one thing today then reverses and proclaims the opposite tomorrow. If we believe in a creator who transcends this vast universe, we must trust his wisdom.

      This is not to say that it is only the gay lesbian desires that are destructive. All desires can lead to suffering. Buddhism teaches all desire leads to suffering. (Interestingly, Buddhism assigns gays to their own unique hot hell of the 144 that they believe in). The bible teaches that desires not focused to be expressed in God honoring ways leads to torment. Hell is just the natural outcome of desires that cannot be honorably fulfilled. The torment of hell is not any external flames but is fueled by the tormenting desires that emerge from within each person. There is a convergence between what Paul teaches in Romans one and the Buddhist concept of gay desires leading to torment.

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    5. A) Why did the idea of polygamy end if not with the teachings of Christ? I have not specifically researched this, so I will answer it the best I can with what I know. Keep in mind, Jews don't practice polygamy, either. We see Herod practice it around the time of Jesus, but he was wealthy (multiple wives signified wealth), which the common Jewish man in Palestine was not at this time. I think polygamy was not widely practiced among Jews in the 1st century, and I think it naturally died out due to this and the fact that Roman and Greek culture practiced monogamy. If it were an issue, I think we would have seen Jesus and Paul teach on it directly. You are taking his teaching on divorce and assuming he was also using it to teach monogamy, but I don't think he was actively doing this, only describing the marriages he saw everyday.

      B) I think women have been treated as material assets cross-culturally, including in monogamous cultures. I don't see this as a result of polygamy, although perhaps a cause.

      C) Early Christians had similar worldviews as Paul, of course they didn't agree with my scientific analysis hundreds of years later. I admitted Paul indeed thought homosexual intercourse was wrong, but I found his reasoning weak. I suppose I could have added my own reasoning to replace his in order to justify his conclusion, like the doctrine of distorting the image of God does.

      D) I am aware of the Buddhist view on homosexuality, it was a widely held view in ancient cultures that homosexuality was wrong. It makes sense too, as there was a high infant mortality rate, and popping out as many kids as possible helped keep you posterity alive, provided help around the house/caravan, and kept numbers up within a city/camp which was essential to defending it. In these ancient cultures, homosexual marriages made little sense (although polygamous marriages made a lot of sense!). But I think gay marriage makes sense for our culture.

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  6. C) “A man will leave father and mother and be joined to his wife.” There is to be a separation of these two that they now produce a unique family unit (which you point out above). Don’t we define this as marriage? What is the purpose of this line if it does not define for us the establishment of a new family unit? Isn’t this what Gay/Lesbian marriage is all about – being recognized as a family unit? This line in the text does establish the relationship to the issue of Gay/Lesbian marriage issue in my view. This was an important parameter for the benefit of children that the male and female union would produce. Paul calls this a union a mystery. It cannot by analyzed under a microscope. It is a metaphysical relationship reflecting particular worldview. This is reflected in the fact that right after this passage appear in both the Mark and Matthew passage, Jesus blesses the children. The fact that the blessing of children comes after the teaching of divorce reinforces the passage from Malachi 2:
    “You have been unfaithful to her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.
    15 Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring.[d]

    Children need the benefit of the whole image of God reflected in male and female.

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    1. I am unaware of any evidence that the sexual orientation of parents hinders their ability to be as good of parents as heterosexuals, but admittedly I have not thoroughly researched this.

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    2. No one is saying they cannot be good parents. Two females cannot reflect the male aspect of God and a pair of males cannot reflect the female aspect. Children grow up missing on or the other in these unfortunate situations.

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  7. D) With these points Jesus concludes, “Therefore what God has joined together” (male& female in the family unit) “let no man separate.” This is the blueprint for the family Christians have understood for 2 millennia. This demonstrates the superiority of Jesus providing the family blueprint rather than looking for a specific command in the Old Testament. It is in this context that I said above: Can you imagine how big the bible would have to be if it contained a reference to every invention or a law for every idiotic idea that humanity can come up with?

    Every variation from the family blueprint Jesus lays down here in Mark and Matthew is an idiotic idea.

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  8. I understand that these are your beliefs, but they make little sense to me. From my perspective, you (and other Christians) have accepted an extra-biblical doctrine about man and woman only being the image of God together. I doubt you are talking about physical bodies - especially if God is a non-material being! This makes things mysterious, indeed. And didn't Paul teach that there is no male and female under Christ? How does that fit in to all of this? Paul also teaches that Christ is the image of God (Col. 1.15), so where is his female counterpart? Is it naturally in him because he is supposed to be God incarnate? Why then did he incarnate as only a male? I think I get where you are coming from: if biological man and woman together are the only combination of the image of God, then it must be so for a reason, and variation could be dangerous. But this doctrine A) makes no rational sense to me, and B) doesn't seem to be soundly based in biblical teaching.

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    1. 1) No male and female under Christ
      This is a reference to Gal 3:28. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” As regards value, all of those in Christ are equal. Being in Christ did not make you not a male, female, slave or free. A person continues in the role they find themselves assigned.

      2) Paul also teaches that Christ is the image of God (Col. 1.15), so where is his female counterpart?
      Ephesians 5:31 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.” Again, it is part of the Christian worldview and a mystery. As to why he incarnated as a male, you’ll have to ask him when you get your personal audience with him.

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    2. 1) So it would be improper exegesis for me to take Paul's words and stretch them beyond what he actually said. I agree.

      2) I understand that humans cannot understand everything, and that sometimes you just need to have faith in a concept you don't have a grasp on. But you are saying we, males and females of the church, are Christ's female counterpart? So a man within the church reflects the male image of God within his marriage, and the female image of God within his relationship to Jesus? Perhaps gender roles really aren't important in this "mystery."

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